Monday, March 25, 2013

DNA Monday: Haplogroup H3, My Deep Peeps

Is anyone out there in haplogroup H3? Anyone at all? Think I'm the only one! Can't be.

Still here stumbling around under the Nut Tree looking at my DNA results from 23and Me. It strikes me that while other blogs are written by experts and offer answers, here I am wandering round watching the questions multiply before my eyes. Why anyone would want to read this mess is beyond me, but thank you so much for stopping by. And if my misery from time to time makes you feel less miserable, then something has been accomplished.

Before I got my DNA test results back I tried to get up to speed on some aspects of the test, and one of them is haplogroup. I found out that haplogroup is a way to think about the great tree of man, or Homo Sapiens. Because I'm female my haplogroup comes down from a very distant woman living about 190,000 to 200,000 years ago now called Mitochondrial Eve. As the great family of woman grew and migrated, the ladies haplogroups grew and migrated. You can see that it's helpful to change the letters at each junction where the tree branches out.

My group, H, can only be given to female descendants because it's contained in the mitochondria of female DNA known by it's abbreviation, mtDNA. Guy haplogroup determination has a whole other set of letters and because there's so much written about yDNA and surname tests, let's let them fend for themselves. H, L2, and A haplogroups belong to us gals.

Science likes to get as specific as possible so the letters break down into sub groups and numbers are added. The haplogroups are also called clads, and the numbers are called subclads. These can be further broken down and if they are then lower case letters are added. While I'm H3 I've seen other people's results that are E1a. And science isn't resting on its laurels. No, researchers are working and these subclads are, even as I write and you read, now breaking down subclads even further in an effort to be as specific as possible. That's great because each addition of a letter or number means deeper specificity, and don't we want that so we can know as much about our deep peeps as possible?

I've had a good time finding out about my H3 haplogroup. We're quite an interesting band of travelers and here's our story. Haplogroup H originated in Southwest Asia about 20,000 to 25,000 years ago on that great big tree of man, er I mean, of women, when H came out of haplogroup HV. You can Google up a haplogroup migration tree if you get a spare moment and are interested.


Evolutionary tree of human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) haplogroups
Mitochondrial Eve (L)
L0L1-6
L1L2L3L4L5L6
MN
CZDEGQASRIWXY
CZBFR0pre-JTPU
HVJTK
HVJT
(Table courtesy Wikipedia.)
 
 
My H3 deep peeps, after a stint in Southwest Asia, moved on down the line as part of the migration during the last ice age, and landed in the Franco-Catabrian Glacial Refuge. Interestingly for me, this is where all of the cave art also comes from. So can you picture them huddling in caves and what not, enduring the last ice age? If I was there I'd have said, "Hey, let's put some art on those cave walls!" This group was also responsible for repopulating much of Europe after the ice melted.
 
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Laxcaux. (Wikipedia commons.)
 
Well, I could go on here because this is the kind of stuff I just love knowing. But you'll have your own haplogroup to work on and the fun of finding out about your own deep peeps!
 
 

71 comments:

  1. Here I am !!!
    I have had my deep mtdna done and belong to H3 ... you are not alone !
    I don't understand much of this either but I absolutely love knowing this much.
    It's simply thrilling !
    I live in Canada and am of Irish (mostly) and Scottish descent.
    Loved your post !

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    1. Hey! Look at us: H3! It is a kick to know it, somehow, isn't it? Thanks for commenting:)

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    2. I'm also H3, through 23andme. Looks like we may have a clan!

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    3. I'm also H3, through 23andme. Looks like we may have a clan!

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    4. I'm also H3 through 23 and me.

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    5. I'm also H3 through 23 & Me.....of Scot/Irish descent via my father and Dutch/German from my mother.

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    6. I know this is pretty old, but I was just browsing around. I'm also H3 from my Maternal side. Men get it from their MAternal side as well.

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    7. im H3 too from 23 and me :)

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  2. Men have mitochondrial DNA too, passed on from our mothers. I too am a member of your group.

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  3. Roll call for H3? Checking in! My maternal descent is all Eastern European and I live in Western PA.

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    1. So is mine! 100% Eastern European. I grew up in OH but now live in AZ. Both my parents were Lithuanian.

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  4. Hi all! I'm H3 too. My family came from England and Ireland and were early American colonizers. I grew up in SC and now live in NY.

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  5. Hi, I am checking in, I'm an H3 too! My family came from Ireland, England, Scotland, Wales and France. They were also early colonizers of America. Grew up in CA, now live in TN

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  6. H3 and RH Negative. Are any other H3ers RH Negative as well?

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    1. I'm an H3 O negative. My mother came from eastern France. Possibly Jewish.

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    3. Yes, I'm Negative. H3G1 ...no idea what it means. I know nothing of my mother's' family.

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    4. I am H3 and my blood type is O negative.

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  7. Hi, I am H3 and thank you for your post, it helped explain this group better.

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  8. Just found out Maternal line is H3 Kootz , Noll line

    I'm a guy

    Jack

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  9. Hi Folks-
    Just to clarify something not clear in this post, females are the ones who give us mitochondrial DNA but guys have it too... and as I understand it, they keep it while we ladies pass it on:) But as I say above, I'm no expert! Thanks to the guy commenters above for underlining my lack of clarity:) Much appreciated.
    Cheers, Diane

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  10. I have haplogroup H3 on my mother's side. Her family comes from central Italy. Jon

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    1. Interesting I am H3 and both my parents are from Lithuania. I'm 100% Eastern Europen.

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    2. I am also H3 from the Tuscan area of Italy

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  11. H3 sister here . . . my family lived in Eastern Europe (Krakow region of Poland) for at least 200 years prior to migration to Chicago in the early 1900's. Glad to meet y'all!

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  12. I'm H3 also! From what I can tell, my mom's side comes from Scotland, Germany, and England.

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  13. Hi, I am also H3, but it is a known fact that my great great grandmother was Lenni-Lenape/Delaware Indian (I have a photo of her and others who knew her whom I have spoken to). Perhaps not all Native Americans are in mitochondrial groups A, B, C, D, & X? Or, somewhere in her line some generations before her there must have been a female from an H3 region like Portugal, France, Basque, etc.?

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    1. this is worth looking into. this territory goes back 15-1600s, even Scandinavians around 1000, or Irish well before that. I'll be curious to hear your full story as it develops. I'm looking for anyone to match H3g1

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    2. This interests me. My mother grew up on and next to a reservation in AZ. We have identified Native American history but no relationship according to DNA. ?

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    3. Have you found out any more connection between the H3 and the Native American ancestry? I always thought my grandmother was Native American. She came from the mountains in Eastern Kentucky.

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  14. Just found out I'm H3. Adoptee born in Tulsa OK 1967. Don't quite get all the technical info but loved learning my ethnicity was European/British/Irish. Now to figure out what to do with all this raw DNA information..lol
    Sienna

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  15. Hi all, H3 too. I am russian, parents are russian, everyone I know from my family is russian, so I wonder how that happened, haha
    Well anyway nice to meet ya all

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  16. I'm H3 & AB pos. Myers-Briggs personality type INTP, can we connect the dots......?

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  17. H3 here! Rare? I didn't know that. Its all brand new to me and I'm trying to learn as much as I can.

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  18. I'm H3 too. Maternal family were Ashkenazi Jews in Eastern Europe (Latvia, Ukraine) as far as I can track individuals. I'm O pos, as well.

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  19. I'm H3 also, my mother is O neg. we have decent from Italy.

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  20. Forgot to mention I live in Michigan and H3's are a distant relative of Jimmy Buffet!

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  21. Hi! I'm H3 in Dallas, Texas. My mother's family has been in Texas since before it was a state. O pos, 2.9% Neanderthal.

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  22. I'm H3, B+ and and INTJ! So there. :) My Granny was adopted, but her biological mother was Irish.

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  23. H3, O+. Always considered my maternal lines to be predominantly British Isles, English, Scottish, perhaps Irish. But the two furthest-back females at the bottom of my tree are both born ca. 1770 Virginia. Have somewhat similar last names. Vittitoe/Videto (from records) and Rippeto. It's been suggested that that Rippeto may have been Rubideaux -- perhaps French Huguenot. Always an adventure!

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  24. Just received my results from Family Tree DNA. I am H3... have no idea what all the rest means. I always thought my grandmother was Native American. She came from the mountains in Eastern Kentucky.

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  25. H3 going back to Scandinavia as far back as I know.

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  26. I'm H3 - All 8 of my great-grandparents emigrated from Sweden to the U.S. in the 1860's - 1880's. But I had my DNA tested and discovered it is almost 10% Irish (surprise) with little bits of Slav and NW Europe (French/Belgian). Of course, it is mostly Scandinavian.

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  27. H3 from 23 and me as well!! Irish decent.

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  28. I'm H3 (23andme) on my mom's side (female haplogroup) and she was a flaming redhead of Scottish descent. It's interesting to me to see all of the Scottish and Irish connections to H3 on this thread.

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  29. I am male, H3 and O negative. German immigrant to the USA, with no known priors, although my siblings immigrated as well and have children in the USA. Ladies from Indian backgrounds, I do believe you are an important link in the heritage chain of the families of Conquistadors, and possibly Sephardic Jewish women from the Spanish/Porugese dispora. A comparison of H3 values between a descended from early Newport, RI settlers and American Indian descendants with H3 values would be highly interesting, and shed some light on the very early settlers (other then soldiers and officers) of the Americas and inversely on the trek of Sephardic Jews in Europe, of which very little is known.

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    1. I should add the my documented maternal relatives are from France/Germany/Poland.

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  30. Hello - I am female, H3 and O negative. All 8 of my great-grandparents came from Sweden, which is reflected in my DNA test results - but in my DNA there are also bits of Finnish, Slavic, French, and Irish/British.

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  31. Hello! I'm female & H3 here, & O pos (my mother was 0 neg.) Scottish/Irish/English/Dutch - Almost all Northwestern European / Scandanavian anecestry. Family history spoke of Cherokee blood of apx 1/8%...DNA did not show this, to our surprise. Only a tiny 0.02% of Native American blood! I as well, am interested that so many have Scot/Irish ancestry.

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  32. Hi! H35 and A pos. All my ancestors have lived in Sweden since early 1600s, when the "Forest Finn" part of the family came over from mid Finland. Still 42% Finnish according to 23andme. 31% Scandinavian and the rest Eastern Europe, Ashkenazi and Siberia. Only 0.3 British.

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  34. H3 A positive found out I am related to William Bradford from the Mayflower 1620.

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  35. H3 checking in from downunder. Via NZ via scotland as far as I can research.

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  36. H3 from New Zealand here. I can trace back about 5 generations to Ann Clare GILL daughter of William GILL from London.

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  37. Hello- I'm H3 from only Galician area of Polish-Ukrainan that I know of! But 23andme said I had a bit of Scandinavian, northern Europe [presumably German?], southern Europe and Balkan [more than the other areas besides eastern Europe]. I'm trying to figure out where H3 started. Spain to Germany to Poland? Or Russian steppes through Germany to Scandinavia and Ireland? I have no British or Irish dna surprisingly compared to all the other H3's! But my sister, brother and maternal relatives have a lot of red or blonde hair! Where did that come from- Vikings for me and the Scottish/Irish H3's??? And maybe why east coast American Indians have H3? Again, vikings through Greenland to Maine? So interesting!

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  38. Here's another H3 member. My mother and her family are all from Scotland. We have big chunks of Scandinavian, wisps of Morrocan, Tunisian, Italian and a dash of Eastern Siberia, too. My father's people are overwhelmingly English with some Scots, Irish and Welsh added for good measure.

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  39. I'm H3 too! I participated in a lupus study with 23andme. Still researching my results. mitochondrial Eve! Love it! I'm 100% European, mostly northern, but some Sardonian and Balkan, but I have a tiny bit of unknown? Alien!!?? Why would someone leave that tropical paradise of Sardonia, while I'm left in Ohio??

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  40. Thanks for the info. I'm (23 and me) H3 and another O positive. My maternal line is from Germans settled in Romania and Hungary. (Paternal side is County Mayo ) I was shocked that I didn't have any Eastern European

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  41. H3 - American since mid 1600s in Eastern U.S., VA, TN, NC. Family from Wales, Scotland, England, and Native Amercian/Cherokee. H3 must be an exploring Viking lineage!

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  42. I'm H3 O pos. My mom's family is mostly from Scotland. Came over as Puritans. My sister has lupus. How many lupus-ites are there here?

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  43. Im H3 through 23 and me, my mothers side is from a few other areas (middle east/north Africa and sub-saharan africa and other) but just around Europe (having trouble specifying it) and my dads side is still to be determined but we know some of it is from Sicily ( at least my great grandmother and great grandfather, etc. were)... its cool to see so many other H3's!

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  44. Me too! Just got my results!

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  45. Hi, I am H3 and it is great to see there are more out there. Found out through 23 and me. I see I have the same group as Jimmy Duffit....I didn't even know who he was! My ancestors all come from Europe. I am in New Zealand

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